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Liza_Do_A_Lot

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I know a woman here in San Diego - Pascendi knows her also - who attends the TLM congregation, and was introduced to the traditional Roman Rite by Fr Malachi Martn.

She told me once that Fr Malachi said that the Third Secret, while speaking to the apostasy in the Church, also includes something that would be very scary to most people; something about an event causing the death of millions in a very short time.

If this is so, it would explain the denigrating "prophets of doom" reference in John XXIII's opening speech at Vatican II.



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There is so much controversy about Malachi Martin amongst trads that I have no idea what's fact and what's fiction anymore. I keep hearing all these horrible things about him, and then I hear that all those things are nothing but vicious rumors, and so on and so forth. I honestly don't know what to think anymore.

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How he died scares me a bit. Well not scares me but ya know...sounds kinda weird.
Deidre

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So...How'd he die, Marty?
Otremer6

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The controversy regarding Malachi Martin is related to his supposed collaboration with a Jewish pressure group and his relationship with his publisher in NYC, as well as various statements about him by WF Buckley and a journalist who worked with him covering the council.

The results of this collaboration were the documents on religious liberty and documents of Vatican Council concerning the Jews, like Nostra Aetate, and Father stalking the Vatican and gleefully giving pink slips to various Bishops and Cardinals in service of this agenda. 

But more important, the crux of people's concerns with Malachi Martin are his claims that the Catholic Church is beset by a "superforce" which paralyzes Her Bishops and sullies the lives of Catholics, confusing their belief and leading them away from the truth.  This "superforce" is related to a Satanic enthronement that is supposed to have happened in a Diocese in the Carolinas and Rome simultaneously, by telephone. (weird I know)

Whether or not there was a Satanic enthronement, the malaise we have is there.  It's undeniable that there are priests and bishops wedded to the occult in one way or another, it's evident in their public pronouncements and the scandals that invariably ensue when their crimes come to light.

All this taken into the bargain, Father Malachi has done more in the last years of his fruitful and interesting life to promote the Catholic Faith, by radio, in his writings and in personal correspondence, than any single individual I can think of.

His influence on me and others I've known has been quite profound, leading us to believe more firmly in the existence of the supernatural, if we didn't before, to embrace our faith with both hands and to learn about the trevails that beset the Church, but most importantly of all, he really did point in everything I've ever heard him say publicly to the regenerative love of Jesus Christ.

I remain convinced that this man is moulded in the genius of St. Ignatius of Loyola and the breath of the Holy Ghost.
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And with respect to the journalist Blair Kaiser. I have to say that it is hard to regard his claims with any credibillity since he earns his bread writing to promote the agenda of those Father Malachi takes to task.

I can imagine that it is in their interest to attempt to discredit Father in any way that they can.  It's interesting that this particular chapter could have come from one of his books.  Father Malachi was often pointing out that certain Bishops were blackmailed into silence or aquiescence if they were known to be more traditional in mind.

It's a dirty game they play.
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Otremer,

Thank you for being concise and showing both sides of the story.

I think that if Malachi Martin was a collaborator at one time, he gave sufficient evidence of repentance and devotion to Catholic Orthodoxy in his last years. Thus we may speak of the early Father Martin and the latter.

My first exposure to him was in 1990 with The Keys of This Blood. This was when I was still a Lutheran. After I became Catholic in 1997 I heard him on the Art Bell show and came to respect him even more as an apostle of Fatima.

The satanic consecration described in Windswept House sounds outlandish but could be true. The main themes running through Windswept are the consecration and its aftereffects, the masonic New World Order penetration of high Vatican officials, a "Slavic Pope" who is basically orthodox but weak, the connection of satanism and clerical homosexual groups, and the counter-force of Catholic Orthodoxy represented by Fr. Chris, his family and associates.

All of this is, to say the least, controversial.

I have always wondered about Father Malachi's death as well. But I am suspicious that he may have been murdered. I have heard that he was working on a book that would expose the truth behind the fictionalized narrative of Windswept House. He also threatened to go public with what he knew of the Third Secret if the Vatican were to present a falsified version. He died in 1999 and in 2000 we had the Third Secret "revealed."

In any event, there is sufficient evidence to those who care to study the issues and discern the truth that:
1. The Third Secret, either in whole or in part, remains a secret.
2. Russia has not been consecrated as requested.
3. The triumph of Our Lady will not take place until these conditions are met

Thank you again for your post.



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I'll second that, Otremer.  I recommend my friend Otremer to you, Gabriel.  Make a friend of him; he's one of the best souls I've met on the internet.

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I'm no expert, but I think Father Martin was credible as a source of information and certainly devoted to Our Lady of Fatima and her message. I like him. I can't help it.

I remember reading, quite awhile ago it seems, that one of Fr. Martin's persecutors recanted, thus exonerating Fr. M. even though it was posthumously. I no longer have access to the file I saved about that. Maybe someone else knows what I am referring to?


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So...How'd he die, Marty?

He fell down a set of stairs at his home.

I love Malachi, like ATC I just can't help but like him. Windswept house is my all time favorite book and also the clarity in which he spoke is 'catchy'.


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I'm no expert, but I think Father Martin was credible as a source of information and certainly devoted to Our Lady of Fatima and her message. I like him. I can't help it.

Same here.  As always, I'm open to hearing a different take, but have to admit that too soon after the big debates over Martin began, my interest fizzled.  Too much to read and not enough relevance to either save or damn me, so I took a safe position:  "I don't know".  But when he came on the radio all those years ago, I very much enjoyed listening to him.
Otremer6

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Thanks pas!

I think Father's discussion of revolutionary movements in "The Jesuits" is more illustrative of the general problem we're facing than any book I can think of off the top.

He goes to great lengths to discuss the work of Antonio Gramsci who proposed a plan for socialism that would attack the foundations of the West by infiltrating its various cultural and political organs.   The explanation of his vision goes a long way toward explaining things like judicial activism, corporate collaboration with socialist enterprises, the overemphasis on strange social agendas and state-building policies by church leaders and the overall gutting of our education system.

Furthermore, Joseph McCarthy was right.
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And thank you Gabriel.

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He goes to great lengths to discuss the work of Antonio Gramsci who proposed a plan for socialism that would attack the foundations of the West by infiltrating its various cultural and political organs.


Indeed. Cultural Marxism is the path by which the "the errors of Russia" have been spread throughout the world.
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